Why is netori as rare as it is?

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Netori, in regard to this post, is the active and intentional seduction and stealing of somone else's girl, and cucking that someone. That means the someone has to at least be aware of what the girl is doing.

Not a complaint. I'm curious. I've seen comments for years from guys wanting netori saying that they always grab the netori games (me included), And yet, it's not all that common. I also wonder if the people saying they want netori games actually want them, since technically you have to actively cuck someone. Not just sleep with their girl, which is just cheating. There are a few but in comparison to harem, incest, netorare, and even netorase it's a drop in the bucket. People say Away From Home is a netori game, but it's really not as much as people think, it's just cheating since you don't turn anyone into a cuck except the pathetic cousin (so far).

So, why are they so rare? Is it a more challenging story? Harder to make a likable MC that actively cucks people?
 
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Most people are just nice and like to play the good guy. Over 90% in mass effect went for paragon. There's definitely an audience for netori and cheating content, but it's not what most look for.
 
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Most people are just nice and like to play the good guy. Over 90% in mass effect went for paragon. There's definitely an audience for netori and cheating content, but it's not what most look for.
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Seconded. Most people are inherently good people and don't find much pleasure in stealing from another, especially if the victim is a good person and doesn't deserve it.

Better to suffer than cause suffering, I believe some would call it.
NTR is complex because while there is a masochism aspect, the corruption, immorality, the sense of being helpless, adds to the allure.
While netori can be good, I find it doesn't trigger as many complex or conflicting feels as netorare, so I never found netori a compelling genre.
 
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I find harem and netori to be somewhat adjacent as it's all about the ultimate male power fantasy and I think it's because devs rather cater to the large harem crowd than the small netori crowd. There's a very devout and annoying group of harem-only guys who wants things done their way and their way specifically, and what that means is no girl is allowed to have a boyfriend or be anything other than a virgin or else they riot. Netori cuts very close to netorare in this regard to these individuals. You can't show the girl having a nice relationship with her husband/boyfriend because then it'd be netorare, and making them have a bad relationship is so cliche and easy for the protagonist to come in and smash, that there's no point in having netori at all. Devs who originally intended on having a netori spin on a character might be pressured to change things to appease the harem-only no-NTR crowd. After all, in their minds, if a dev can control all aspects of a character, why make a girl with a husband/boyfriend if they can make the same girl without one? These are also the same guys who won't allow a single soul other than the MC to see a love interest naked so there goes your hopes of fucking said girl in front of her husband/boyfriend.

But yeah, other than that, I think it's also too soft of a kink to become a breakout hit and garner a big following on its own. No support = no make.
 
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Most people are just nice and like to play the good guy. Over 90% in mass effect went for paragon. There's definitely an audience for netori and cheating content, but it's not what most look for.
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Seconded. Most people are inherently good people and don't find much pleasure in stealing from another, especially if the victim is a good person and doesn't deserve it.

Better to suffer than cause suffering, I believe some would call it.
NTR is complex because while there is a masochism aspect, the corruption, immorality, the sense of being helpless, adds to the allure.
While netori can be good, I find it doesn't trigger as many complex or conflicting feels as netorare, so I never found netori a compelling genre.
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I don't buy it. Sure, that's a good chunk, but it doesn't explain just how rare it is. The amount of people absolutely willing to corrupt and pimp out their LIs leads me to believe that those people would have no issues with cucking someone else. All you have to do is read through the multiple "favorite kink" or "favorite fetish" threads on this forum to see how many are down for that kind of thing. I'm not saying that there are a ton of people in comparison that would, mind you, but more than enough to make the number of games that actually feature netori feel incredibly low.
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I find harem and netori to be somewhat adjacent as it's all about the ultimate male power fantasy and I think it's because devs rather cater to the large harem crowd than the small netori crowd. There's a very devout and annoying group of harem-only guys who wants things done their way and their way specifically, and what that means is no girl is allowed to have a boyfriend or be anything other than a virgin or else they riot. Netori cuts very close to netorare in this regard to these individuals.
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Yeah, I've seen how the harem crowd can go sideways at the weirdest things. I remember one dev actually caved and changed his entire story because they felt one of the girls was too experienced and that came off as slutty...because she was good at sex.
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because I ain't no cuck
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wtf does this have to do with what I posted?
 
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I was wondering the same thing. When I play as a FMC, I'm interested in her being pursued by guys and if there's some amount of NTR, I prefer to see FMC get stolen. If there's Netori, I won't mind if FMC is a bad girl stealing other female characters' men. I'm not interested in the classic type of NTR from a male type of view, nor I don't see the appeal of it. It's just fucked up. I wouldn't want to see FMC in that role, I mean what's the appeal in watching another character steal your MC's loved one? I'm playing FMC game to my character be in the center of attention, so male characters fight over for her. NTR invokes some form of masochistic tendencies. It's funny that those players who say they hate NTR in male protagonist games don't hate NTR in FMC(cheating). I guess Netori equals a dominant male protagonist(villain) but the majority of male Devs don't know how to write one which is peculiar. I think that every kink have psychological explanation.
 
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Most people are just nice and like to play the good guy. Over 90% in mass effect went for paragon. There's definitely an audience for netori and cheating content, but it's not what most look for.
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It's just that evil needs to be made Attractive and not just flat.
 
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Geigi said:
I guess Netori equals a dominant male protagonist(villain) but the majority of male Devs don't know how to write one which is peculiar. I think that every kink have psychological explanation.
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Everyone here is either assuming that there is one reason for a netori story or have fairly limited imagination when it comes to story. There are tons of reasons that the MC in a netori game wouldn't be the bad guy. Revenge, spy story, crime, stealing girls from old bullies, saving women from abusive relationships, etc. etc.

Edit: Take Away from Home as an example that I mentioned in the OP. Almost every single one of the girls seduced are presented in such a way that you are helping them. Loveless marriages with neglected wives, "get in the kitchen" misogyny, one absent husband, a microdick (lol), etc. Most netori and/or cheating games are NOT presented in a way that makes the MC the bad guy. Most of the "people don't want to be the bad guy" arguments are invalid based on how the story is written.
 
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tanstaafl said:
Most of the "people don't want to be the bad guy" arguments are invalid based on how the story is written.
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Being an asshole who does netori is a great time though. I have a thing for fucking a bride on wedding day, or fucking a sister or mother of a dude who wants her, or hey, fucking the MC's sister on her wedding day. All in view of their significant other or relative of course. You don't have to blackmail or rape her into it, seduction is great.
 
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Being an asshole who does netori is a great time though. I have a thing for fucking a bride on wedding day, or fucking a sister or mother of a dude who wants her, or hey, fucking the MC's sister on her wedding day. All in view of their significant other or relative of course. You don't have to blackmail or rape her into it, seduction is great.
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Netori can go either way obviously. I was just pointing out the "Everyone wants to be a good guy" argument doesn't really hold up.
 
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tanstaafl said:
Everyone here is either assuming that there is one reason for a netori story or have fairly limited imagination when it comes to story. There are tons of reasons that the MC in a netori game wouldn't be the bad guy. Revenge, spy story, crime, stealing girls from old bullies, saving women from abusive relationships, etc. etc.

Edit: Take Away from Home as an example that I mentioned in the OP. Almost every single one of the girls seduced are presented in such a way that you are helping them. Loveless marriages with neglected wives, "get in the kitchen" misogyny, one absent husband, a microdick (lol), etc. Most netori and/or cheating games are NOT presented in a way that makes the MC the bad guy. Most of the "people don't want to be the bad guy" arguments are invalid based on how the story is written.
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I agree. James Bond is a good example of a Netori protagonist.
 
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and what now? Should they go under the knife and have an augmentation operation?
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In Away from Home the guy takes medication that is supposed to help (that obviously doesn't work.) Not that it matters, the wife fucks the MC before they have a chance to find out it doesn't work. She feels bad about it though...until the next time. (Pro writing there, lol)

Edit: And the pro pregnancy crowd would like that one as well, she's literally ordering him to put a baby in her at the time.
 
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tanstaafl said:
OP's statement.
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But I assert it isn't rare, since it is simply a matter of perspective. A coin is not a coin unless it has two sides, Netori is nothing without Netorare, for every cuck that gets netorare'd there must be one doing the netori. Therefore all stories of netorare also must because of Hegelian dialectics (Every thesis contains within itself it's own anti-thesis) be Netori also.

Think about it, try to for example imagine a new colour, go on everyone reading try it....

Now imagine that you have never ever seen the colour Blue, if I show you what IS Blue, do i need to show you what is NOT Blue or do you instinctively now know this because you know what Blue is? I.e. the moment you understand what something is, you instantly know what something is not without any thought or additional input from anyone else. Same thing with Netori and Netorare, for one to be the other must be, it is only what you focus on that differs, but both exist simultaneously.
 
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But I assert it isn't rare, since it is simply a matter of perspective. A coin is not a coin unless it has two sides, Netori is nothing without Netorare, for every cuck that gets netorare'd there must be one doing the netori.
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Agree from a technical stand point, but the writing is different, the slant is different. No self insertion required to be able to pick up on the difference between netorare writing and netori writing. One is aimed at destruction of the MCs self esteem, the other is aimed at being a power fantasy for the MC. Perspective in writing is important.
 
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There are two angles to cuck porn.
There's the losers who get off to watching their wife sleep with someone else. Those people are pathetic and have no right to even call themselves a man.
Then there's the guy who steals the girlfriends. The type of guy who wears sunglasses inside and talks very loud and obnoxiously. We call that a douche bag.

The average person doesn't want to be either of these things.
 
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Ponetan said:
There are two angles to cuck porn.
There's the losers who get off to watching their wife sleep with someone else. Those people are pathetic and have no right to even call themselves a man.
Then there's the guy who steals the girlfriends. The type of guy who wears sunglasses inside and talks very loud and obnoxiously. We call that a douche bag.

The average person doesn't want to be either of these things.
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Spoken like a person that skipped every post to make their own statement which has already been discussed and dismissed.
 
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