VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

abram1 · Feb 23, 2021

Bane71 said:
If you are objective and unbiased, it is easy to understand that there are good reasons to speed up the development process of the game.
If nothing changes, then the development of the game will take much longer than 10 years. That's too much.
Anyone can understand that working on one project for such a long time will tire anyone.

The experience gained when creating AWAM L&P will probably want to apply it in some other project, it would be quite logical.

And one last thing.
If we are talking about delaying the process, about the lack of desire for the developer to speed up the result, then we automatically mean his not conscientious approach to work and users.

This is just my opinion, but I believe L&P and hope it will find solutions and approaches to finish the project in less than 10 years or not significantly exceeding 10 years.

Oh, Bane71, my dude, my sweet summer child. The chances L&P wraps up his game in 10 years or under are equal to null, zero, none. Can't fathom how on Earth would he accelerate the development, when his primal approach is to squeeze everything out of his rigs. He pushes the hardware to the limits, increasing the quality of the images. Splitting the Day into 3 parts was a nice idea on paper, but in the real world everything stays pretty much the same, i.e. 7-9 months per playable day. I suppose he may end up playable day 15 in 4-5 months as that's only one huge event. Apart from that I'm strapped for a long ride.

Turret said:
Over time I have come to the conclusion that L&P have perfected milking/blue balling of the patrons while still creating a game. I seriously doubt they ever intend to bring it to end, but will start another game some way down the line.
You can be a perfectionist, but L&P do not do perfectionism any longer, they are intentionally lengthening the process. Why I come to this conclusion? Take just a look at some of the top level VNs out there. Ever played gems like e.g. Stein´s Gate, Summer Pockets, Riddle Joker, 9-Nine, Dangaronpa, Little Busters, Dry Drowning or The ditzy Demons (if you lke the funny ones)? They have terrific art made by creators like Key and Sayori to name a few, but even those VNs reuse some pics, scenes and animations with new text when it is not important for the story to keep devlopment time in check. (And this is e.g. even Key doing, in whose VNs the story told is absolute king)
L&P go out of their way to add in useless renders and scenes which could be made with/in front of already made AWAM scenery without taking quality away.

As for branching, look at some pro VNs or even here on site the devs of Our Red String, Good Girl gone bad, Revenge for Jessica, even Culture Shock to name some which have serious or superior branching compared to AWAM. Eva Kiss, the dev of ORS and GGGB, is on pro level when it comes to branching storylines for erotic games. And she has already some sexy stuff in her newest project. Nothing really wild, but fitting to that point in the story. Something we have not in AWAM. And please do not use the slow burn phrase, ORS is slow burn too! And she gets out seriously packing updates about every two months.
L&P say they have the story already finished, it is really laughable that they need this much time per update. We have games onsite with comparable quality renders and/or massive story, which update pretty regular with substantial stuff.
What L&P do is Verschleppung, when you see the updates some other devs put out regularly.

I swiftly checked some of the above mentioned games and while, obviously, I can't say nothing about complexity of the story, the visuals nevertheless ... well-well-well. Probably you're a fan of anime girls in short skirts, but you can't seriously compare apples to oranges. Ain't talking about various engines. I bet my ass it takes more time to render 1 AWAM image than in any of those games, even made with DAZ, as their quality is not on the identical level.

Perhaps you don't know this, but L&P works as a lone wolf. Some other games being created by teams, at least those devs aren't afraid to seek help on the side, if needed. That's the worst part of this game.

The most peculiar thing is that AWAM offers a complete taboo as a main feature, intimate relations with both (!) of her children, the neighbors' kids, her own sis and who knows who else. It's absolutely laughable reading about whether or not this story is intricate enough, as this thread wishes to chop and simplify the game starting asap (not gonna happen according to L&P).

Milking. Admit, you're a bit jealous, as he makes +$10K per month, while you're writing about this bs here. Patrons are happy, he ain't complaining, end of story.

Lust&Pateron · Feb 23, 2021

sinnemmx said:
what has L & P's behavior been up to now?
-slow development
-perfection of graphics and renderings
-lots of useless, repetitive renders and lots of text

its supporters have liked it so far, otherwise they would have abandoned it for some time.
so why change
it would be stupid to do it as long as its supporters are okay with it.
so it won't change
and this is just my opinion

I've been saying the same and the mods just delete my posts now saying it's "off topic", when I'm clearly talking about AWAM.

There are serious concerns about release timing of updates, and this should be made vocal. No one critises the quality or the plot. But, the speed of updates is just poor / negligent or even on purposes

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Lust&Pateron · Feb 23, 2021

abram1 said:
Oh, Bane71
Milking. Admit, you're a bit jealous, as he makes +$10K per month, while you're writing about this bs here. Patrons are happy, he ain't complaining, end of story.

I'm not the person you responded to. But I have the same feelings as he does.

Personally I earn more than $10k a month on my day job, so I'm not jealous of him financially. I actually think it's awesome he's built this game, this novel and he has this level of financial support.

But for me, it's clear as day, whether it's intentional or not, he's milking his patrons with his release schedule. And, a small % of patrons are not happy with him. It's not difficult for that to snow ball from a small % to a large %

Bane71 · Feb 23, 2021

Apollodore said:
Agree !
What I love about L&P is his details management. For example, light ! depending on the room, the mood, the time of day...
And a lot of wide shots with a number of extras, to set the scene well.
I haven't seen this in a lot of games yet.

Obviously everyone wants the updates to happen faster, but I don't want him to delete this or that under pressure or the wishes of some. We would never say to a painter, we want a smaller picture with less color. The artist's vision must be respected.

And as you said, "end of the story", but I think we will still have to argue with others on this point

I totally agree with you! Moreover, I am extremely surprised by people who allow you to tell the creator of the game what and how he needs to do! I want to say to these outraged people: - do your project as you think it is necessary, do not tell others!

Bane71 · Feb 23, 2021

Igglesex said:
I'm not the person you responded to. But I have the same feelings as he does.

Personally I earn more than $10k a month on my day job, so I'm not jealous of him financially. I actually think it's awesome he's built this game, this novel and he has this level of financial support.

But for me, it's clear as day, whether it's intentional or not, he's milking his patrons with his release schedule. And, a small % of patrons are not happy with him. It's not difficult for that to snow ball from a small % to a large %

I make $ 100,000 a month and I think you are wrong. It's just your opinion against mine! Your accusations of milking are empty and incompetent! Although it can be said and rougher.

Jason1986Z · Feb 23, 2021

skaplish said:
Is this game like Being a Dik or Milfy City

no

Bane71 · Feb 23, 2021

To bring down the heat of controversy and bring a good mood!

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Have a nice evening everyone!

P.S. There is no desire to argue, but these stupid accusations are excessively annoying!

abram1 · Feb 23, 2021

Igglesex said:
I'm not the person you responded to. But I have the same feelings as he does.

Personally I earn more than $10k a month on my day job, so I'm not jealous of him financially. I actually think it's awesome he's built this game, this novel and he has this level of financial support.

But for me, it's clear as day, whether it's intentional or not, he's milking his patrons with his release schedule. And, a small % of patrons are not happy with him. It's not difficult for that to snow ball from a small % to a large %

First of all, I've no faintest idea why you've decided to split my reply to 2 separate individuals by combining it into the new one, as if I was referring to the guy in your quote. Is that what you're doing at your job, falsifying and manipulating data?
I'm not a weatherman, but if it's that clear, good for you, man.

You must be registered to see the links

Your wishful thinking sort of contradicts this info. The amount of his patrons is still going up and unless he screws up his project royally he'll only gain new backers.

amin2020 said:
How do I increase the score with Ivanka? The guard does not allow me to enter the building

Well, I have sad news for you, son. Donald has left the building alongside with Jared, so of course the security service won't let you in. And I'm pretty sure Ivanka isn't in the Oval Office anymore except uncle Joe increasing his score with her.

Lust&Pateron · Feb 23, 2021

abram1 said:
First of all, I've no faintest idea why you've decided to split my reply to 2 separate individuals by combining it into the new one, as if I was referring to the guy in your quote. Is that what you're doing at your job, falsifying and manipulating data?
I'm not a weatherman, but if it's that clear, good for you, man.
You must be registered to see the links
Your wishful thinking sort of contradicts this info. The amount of his patrons is still going up and unless he screws up his project royally he'll only gain new backers.

Well, I have sad news for you, son. Donald has left the building alongside with Jared, so of course the security service won't let you in. And I'm pretty sure Ivanka isn't in the Oval Office anymore except uncle Joe increasing his score with her.

Well the website you sent, shows he's lost 150 patrons. So confirming what I'm saying

Anyway, are you happy with a game taking 10 years to be made? And paying $100 + for that wait.

Satburn · Feb 23, 2021

Igglesex said:
Well the website you sent, shows he's lost 150 patrons. So confirming what I'm saying

Anyway, are you happy with a game taking 10 years to be made? And paying $100 + for that wait.

From what I have read elsewhere, a developer will often get new patrons just before an update comes out, so they will be first in line to get the new update, after that they then leave the developer.

So this may have happened in this case.

Lust&Pateron · Feb 23, 2021

Bane71 said:
You talk like a dog every step of the way! The game is created only 3 years, not 10 years!

When is the game going to be complete?

Bane71 · Feb 23, 2021

Igglesex said:
When is the game going to be complete?

It is not known today.

Holy Bacchus · Feb 23, 2021

Igglesex said:
Well the website you sent, shows he's lost 150 patrons. So confirming what I'm saying

Anyway, are you happy with a game taking 10 years to be made? And paying $100 + for that wait.

It's common for devs, both big and small, to lose patrons before the start of a month since this is when Patreon takes payments. Their numbers will then tick up during the next few months as people rejoin in anticipation of updates or because they can now afford to restart their support.

Bane71 said:
You talk like a dog every step of the way! The game is created only 3 years, not 10 years!

3 years so far (2 for the current Ren'py version), but at the current rate of development, if each day continues to have as many events and side stories in it, it will take more than 10 years to be completed.

Holy Bacchus said:
But whilst we're on the subject, let's just remind ourselves of how long this game potentially might take, but first, some contextual info:

Between 0.100 and 0.115, there were roughly 3 months

L&P has said days will now be split in threes; Morning, Noon/Afternoon, Evening/Night

There are going to be 30 playable days and we've just started Day 12

We know that playable Day 15 will be one long event (Sophia and Patricia horse-riding event)

L&P has said some updates may have 2 times of day in 1 if the events are relatively small, i.e. an update may have the Morning and Noon/Afternoon events.

So, now the maths:

17 playable days remaining

Assuming each gets 3 updates, that's 51 more updates

Assuming these take 3 months each to be completed, that's 153 months (12 years, 9 months)

2 more updates potentially remaining for playable day 12 (153+6 = 159 = 13 years, 3 months)

Playable day 15 will be one single update (159+3 = 162 = 13 years, 6 months).

So, at most, this game will be done some time in 2034 at its current rate of development.

Now, it's possible that as the game progresses, certain plot threads and characters will be gone, others may merge, and this may reduce the number of events per day thus resulting in each playable day being in just a single update each. There's also the possibility that some updates will have the events of different times of day in them. If this were to be the case then it would be take considerably less time for the game to be completed, but right now we can only base our prediction on the game's current development structure and pace, and this is what it looks like.

Bane71 · Feb 23, 2021

Holy Bacchus said:
3 years so far (2 for the current Ren'py version), but at the current rate of development, if each day continues to have as many events and side stories in it, it will take more than 10 years to be completed.

This can be assumed! And when asserting this, it is necessary to indicate that this is an assumption, and not an established fact!

abram1 · Feb 23, 2021

Igglesex said:
Well the website you sent, shows he's lost 150 patrons. So confirming what I'm saying

Anyway, are you happy with a game taking 10 years to be made? And paying $100 + for that wait.

Do you even know what an uptrend is? Or an exponential growth? We may both look at the same graphs seeing different data. I highly recommend clicking on the "All" button before jumping to any conclusions. Or is that way too tough to grasp for a guy making more than $10k per month?
I'm paying jack shit for this game, pirating it from this forum like the most of us, let's start calling things by their names, so where did you get the $100 number, I wonder? My life, shock and awe, doesn't revolve around AWAM, so the timing is irrelevant to me. If I need to wank, I'll find other means to do that.

Holy Bacchus · Feb 23, 2021

Bane71 said:
This can be assumed! And when asserting this, it is necessary to indicate that this is an assumption, and not an established fact!

The only thing that can't be established is whether or not the number of events per day will lessen as the days progress in the game. However, if things continue as they are right now, those numbers will be fairly accurate because it's maths, and the maths doesn't lie here.

Even if L&P were to get the events per day down to around 3 or 4 from Day 20 onwards allowing them to produce one full day per update, you're still looking at around 2028 as the completion at the earliest.

As I said, the maths doesn't lie.

brainman · Feb 23, 2021

The idea that 10 years has stopped being a joke and has slid into becoming an established fact is pretty damn funny. Undertale, Stardew valley, Braid, there are countless more examples of fully completed games that have been completed in near the same amount of time as AWAM has been in development. All with a one person dev team. If you really believe that AWAM is so intricate and expansive that it will take longer to develop then games like that then your just delusional at this point.

Bane71 · Feb 23, 2021

Holy Bacchus said:
The only thing that can't be established is whether or not the number of events per day will lessen as the days progress in the game. However, if things continue as they are right now, those numbers will be fairly accurate because it's maths, and the maths doesn't lie here.

Even if L&P were to get the events per day down to around 3 or 4 from Day 20 onwards allowing them to produce one full day per update, you're still looking at around 2028 as the completion at the earliest.

As I said, the maths doesn't lie.

Listen, I've read clever, sensible things from you more than once, but now it's as if a completely different, unintelligent youngster is writing! Is it you?

How seriously can you say that if he shortens the plots and the like?
And we can probably say that the development of the game will take 10 years or more! But on one condition! If nothing changes! Do you understand this?

So who can give any guarantees for tomorrow? This is incredible stupidity. Sorry, but I can't understand this.

This has nothing to do with math! Everything can change tomorrow! Not to mention the fact that tomorrow may not come for some of us. ((

Lord_Xanatos · Feb 23, 2021

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