VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

mad_hungarian · Aug 30, 2021

I personally like the idea of a rock/biker bar.

We also have to consider the fact that L&P has a German mind set while trying to portray an "American" City. Here in Germany a kid can go to a bar at 16 and with parents 14, all while being able to drink beer (no hard stuff)

GingerSweetGirl said:
This is fair. I'm looking at this bar as a dive bar, not biker bar. But you're right, if it's a true biker bar then I wouldn't be comfortable there. I guess I have to assume it's a dive bar because they hired the kids to play. And while even a dive bar wouldn't hire these kids, it's even less likely that a biker bar would.

I frequent a biker bar (Club house for a Franconian Biker club) North of Nuremberg. It is surprising how many single younger hotties and milfy types show up at this bar. Why? Because they have fun and they're "protected" from the bullshit they would possibly run into at some other bar. Being a old war horse as myself I enjoy the conversation and looking at the "menu", so to speak. Most the biker bars I hangout at are mostly Combat Veterans, we have common experiences that no one fully understands unless you lived such experiences. So, if Sophia and her sis walked into a bar of bikers that i hangout at no harm would come to them and they or you might be surprised at the intellect in such crowds.

nexer · Aug 30, 2021

We can look at it another way: Sophie's dress is evidence of desperation, of the need for sex

A cry for help

She's an educated woman, but mother nature has taken over and let's not forget what a day she's had. Who knows what Nathalie did to her and she's desperate to blow off some steam

Here I agree with Bane71 and why not, defend L&P.

Bane71 · Aug 30, 2021

nexer said:
We can look at it another way: Sophie's dress is evidence of desperation, of the need for sex A cry for help
She's an educated woman, but mother nature has taken over and let's not forget what a day she's had. Who knows what Nathalie did to her and she's desperate to blow off some steam
Here I agree with Bane71 and why not, defend L&P.

I hope that you are joking because ladies dress up beautifully and sexually not to be fucked in the nearest alley, but because ladies love attention and they delight others like flowers.
I think any normal man knows this, and I'm sure there are most of them here.

hzjujk · Aug 30, 2021

Bane71 said:
Aber es gibt noch einen anderen Grund, der Sie beunruhigt! Immerhin haben wir Aiden heute schon auf dem Rad gesehen! Um die Route von Sam und Aiden irgendwie zu vermischen, kann L&P Aiden in dieselbe Bar bringen.
Will Aiden be in this bar or not?

We saw Aiden on an egg file, not a bike. If he shows up there with something like that and there are real bikers in the bar, they'll enema this poser.

nexer · Aug 30, 2021

Bane71 said:
I hope that you are joking because ladies dress up beautifully and sexually not to be fucked in the nearest alley, but because ladies love attention and they delight others like flowers.
I think any normal man knows this, and I'm sure there are most of them here.

Not really, but when you get really horny you get bolder. I'm not saying her intention is to have sex anytime, anywhere, but the logic can change for a person in her situation.

I don't think it's fair to judge Sophia, you who already have 3 shags today and 20 last week

hzjujk · Aug 30, 2021

Bane71 said:
Friends, I understand that it wasn't just me who was stressed out by the concert in the biker bar. But I still understand that we hardly need to worry so much, I think everything will be quite realistic and not critical.
I dare to hope that L&P will not disappoint us.

I'm thinking about this, Sam has seen Sofia from various angles until tonight:
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All this is a very sexy and quite frank spectacle!
He also received a gentle kiss on the cheek!
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After all, L&P can't take a step back, especially on such an important evening for Sam?

I believe that no matter how the concert in the biker bar went, later Sam will get Sofia's bare breasts, probably a kiss on the lips and even maybe he will feel her groin area.

Following the series of that playable day, Sophia will stand in front of Sam without a bra. It is safe for me! But what is more interesting for me is whether Sam can touch her breasts. Aiden sneaked his opportunity. If I conclude from this and refer back to the law of the series, one might suspect that this is exactly what happened in this event as well. Only that this time, with Sam, Sophia consciously allows it and enjoys it. Even if she might try to hide it from Sam. But that would break the dam. She could no longer overlook the fact that she is actively cheating on Liam and not just "getting into" a situation. If so, I look forward to the inner monologue while Sam drives Sophia home.

DIRTY FILTHY Animal · Aug 30, 2021

ancienregimele said:
I really hope so but then there's the problem of how to get Sam & Sophia with just each other for company. [Incidentally & back to "the wonder years" again, ho hum, that kind of van (transit type), was known in my town's local teen slang as a "Shaggin' Wagon."]

cant forget this sign

Yo Sophias top will be coming down for sure at this concert either by her sister or some biker dude from behind. Also Sams band better know how to play covers of ZZ Top, ACDC or pretty much any 70's rock, cause if they try to play their own shit or any recent rock there gonna get booed or have bottles thrown at them

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GingerSweetGirl · Aug 30, 2021

I think it would actually be a good thing if Ivan and the movers were there. It would help tie the story together and keep characters involved.

Poser_Voyeur · Aug 30, 2021

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I guess a Rock Bar is a Biker Bar now...

Wow! That feels somewhat unexpected.

We have been discussing for a while now the meaning of Sam's line chatting with Sophia that the concert was at "one of those bars at the beach", along with L&P's subsequent description of the venue as a rock bar. Various people had focussed on the beach element, and others on the rock element. But there was seemingly a broad consensus that we were expecting a bar that a young rock band could play at that was on/at/by/near the beach. Not what we have been shown so far in the above preview. It is possible that the actual venue is a different place next to or opposite "Bob's Country Bunker" shown in the preview.

I will also defer to more knowledgeable Daz afficionadoes as to whether there is much variety of suitable bar fronts that are readily available. This might have been the best choice from a bad set of Daz asset options. But I was nt expecting this.

And, knowing if this was the venue, it makes the choice of including the romper suit with the "boob pockets" as an option in the Patreon Poll even more surprising.....

Trying to find some shred of realism to cling to until we see for sure what the venue is like once the update released, there are five motorbikes outside. I am no motorbike expert but at first glance these look like decent bikes such as Harley Davidson's. Now whilst I might immediately think Hells Angels, then it is still possible that these might be expensive bikes ridden by middle class office workers. i.e. I am trying not to think of this automatically as a "biker bar" that we have seen depicted in various Hollywood films and TV series as being rough and ready to say the least.

I am hoping that this preview picture is slightly misleading and that when we see the update, we will look back at this preview and laugh at L&P for playing with our expectations. If so then great - I don't mind an occasional misdirect from a preview.

But at the moment I am having a hard time not simply looking at that preview and saying "What the frak" to myself....

Poser_Voyeur · Aug 30, 2021

GingerSweetGirl said:
Sure, it's possible. But again, having teenage LIs just makes things needlessly complicated. I know that it's a popular kink, but when the age difference is as great as it is here, it gets really hard to maintain realism. If Sam had been 24, still much younger than Sophia, I think it would have made for a much more believable scenario.

Even 20-21, as opposed to 17-18.

SlimeDroid · Aug 30, 2021

What's going to be the next event if you're not doing the band route?

Alley_Cat · Aug 30, 2021

Poser_Voyeur said:
Wow! That feels somewhat unexpected.

We have been discussing for a while now the meaning of Sam's line chatting with Sophia that the concert was at "one of those bars at the beach", along with L&P's subsequent description of the venue as a rock bar. Various people had focussed on the beach element, and others on the rock element. But there was seemingly a broad consensus that we were expecting a bar that a young rock band could play at that was on/at/by/near the beach. Not what we have been shown so far in the above preview. It is possible that the actual venue is a different place next to or opposite "Bob's Country Bunker" shown in the preview.

I will also defer to more knowledgeable Daz afficionadoes as to whether there is much variety of suitable bar fronts that are readily available. This might have been the best choice from a bad set of Daz asset options. But I was nt expecting this.

And, knowing if this was the venue, it makes the choice of including the romper suit with the "boob pockets" as an option in the Patreon Poll even more surprising.....

Trying to find some shred of realism to cling to until we see for sure what the venue is like once the update released, there are five motorbikes outside. I am no motorbike expert but at first glance these look like decent bikes such as Harley Davidson's. Now whilst I might immediately think Hells Angels, then it is still possible that these might be expensive bikes ridden by middle class office workers. i.e. I am trying not to think of this automatically as a "biker bar" that we have seen depicted in various Hollywood films and TV series as being rough and ready to say the least.

I am hoping that this preview picture is slightly misleading and that when we see the update, we will look back at this preview and laugh at L&P for playing with our expectations. If so then great - I don't mind an occasional misdirect from a preview.

But at the moment I am having a hard time not simply looking at that preview and saying "What the frak" to myself....

In terms of "Bob's Country Bunker" being the best of a bad choice, I don't believe so. I've tried my usual tricks to find the asset, but have been unable to so far, and there are numerous obvious assets that L&P could have used, one just by the beach, as we were lead to believe the event would be.

SlimeDroid said:
What's going to be the next event if you're not doing the band route?

Next update will be a Nat event, Bonus Storyline, the Concert, and then Cathy/Andy.

Dr.SigmundFap · Aug 30, 2021

SlimeDroid said:
What's going to be the next event if you're not doing the band route?

Cathy/Andy meeting with Liam/Sophia or maybe just Liam only, if Sophia is tied up with "The other guy" event. That will be the last event for the P.D.

Poser_Voyeur · Aug 30, 2021

Alley_Cat said:
In terms of "Bob's Country Bunker" being the best of a bad choice, I don't believe so. I've tried my usual tricks to find the asset, but have been unable to so far, and there are numerous obvious assets that L&P could have used, one just by the beach, as we were lead to believe the event would be.

I am trying really, really hard not to overact to that preview. I deliberately waited a few hours after seeing the preview just before lunch, and tried hard to not just rant as my initial reaction. I am trying to look at it as that the actual concert event may not be what mine (and seemingly other's) initial reaction to it was. I certainly could have used far stronger language than "surprised".

I don't know how many further updates to this game we are realistically going to get, given recent time to issue updates and the ever increasing complexity of routes and options within the VN. When we get to whatever stage we get the actual end to this story, whenever that my be, I just hope that we look back and think the end of this story was just as high a quality, both artistically and also storyline wise, as we would currently say about the beginning. I just hope that this VN finishes on a high and that our expectations have been broadly me, or even exceeded.

The caveat is that obviously I still hope that we have many more updates to come, and that these future updates come more regularly and frequently than the most recent series of updates.

But for the first time I can feel that slight twinge of nervousness as to how this storyline might unfold in the near future. That we go from straining or stretching the boundaries or realism / plausibility and start breaking them more and more.
That we lose what made this VN special by having to cater to (Patreon members) expectations of what content they wish to see,

Bishop Robert · Aug 30, 2021

nexer said:
Aiden won't be there, notice they're all custom, shall we say Harley-Davidson style.
Second, the lights are on, after concert will be dark. So, no beach.
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We have the whole band, 4 members and L&P could avoid direct contact between sisters and band members. Maybe Patricia will stay a little longer, to celebrate, in this bar or another, ALL together. Would be great, 4 boys and 2 sisters
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Dr.Fapalot could you ask L&P if Patricia will stay a little longer?

Perhaps something will occur when Patricia is distractingly flirting with one of the members of the band (just some jabroni in the bar)?

Akvanzal · Aug 30, 2021

Does the game have animations?

DIRTY FILTHY Animal · Aug 30, 2021

I would like to see Patricia tease her sister and start flirting with Sam to try and make her jealous & then they can both try to out tease each other around him and definately some girl on girl action between them , but if they did that during the concert that would distract the whole band from playing. maybe they go up on stage and dirty dance around him, of course the bikers are going to be chanting for the sisters to keep kissing and strip

ancienregimele · Aug 30, 2021

Poser_Voyeur said:
Wow! That feels somewhat unexpected.

We have been discussing for a while now the meaning of Sam's line chatting with Sophia that the concert was at "one of those bars at the beach", along with L&P's subsequent description of the venue as a rock bar. Various people had focussed on the beach element, and others on the rock element. But there was seemingly a broad consensus that we were expecting a bar that a young rock band could play at that was on/at/by/near the beach. Not what we have been shown so far in the above preview. It is possible that the actual venue is a different place next to or opposite "Bob's Country Bunker" shown in the preview.

I will also defer to more knowledgeable Daz afficionadoes as to whether there is much variety of suitable bar fronts that are readily available. This might have been the best choice from a bad set of Daz asset options. But I was nt expecting this.

And, knowing if this was the venue, it makes the choice of including the romper suit with the "boob pockets" as an option in the Patreon Poll even more surprising.....

Trying to find some shred of realism to cling to until we see for sure what the venue is like once the update released, there are five motorbikes outside. I am no motorbike expert but at first glance these look like decent bikes such as Harley Davidson's. Now whilst I might immediately think Hells Angels, then it is still possible that these might be expensive bikes ridden by middle class office workers. i.e. I am trying not to think of this automatically as a "biker bar" that we have seen depicted in various Hollywood films and TV series as being rough and ready to say the least.

I am hoping that this preview picture is slightly misleading and that when we see the update, we will look back at this preview and laugh at L&P for playing with our expectations. If so then great - I don't mind an occasional misdirect from a preview.

But at the moment I am having a hard time not simply looking at that preview and saying "What the frak" to myself....

I wasn't going to say any more because that outfit just gets on my nerves more & more but the following may be of interest. One of my neighbours went out with a biker who was a millionaire's son but who was also a full member of one of the UK's most powerful bike gangs. (I'm talking 1970s here). He had a 1947 Harley, which he took everywhere the gang went, in a Hertz rental truck. He could easily afford to ride something else. Biker levels of wealth are like the gangs....unpredictable.

ancienregimele · Aug 31, 2021

mad_hungarian said:
I personally like the idea of a rock/biker bar.

We also have to consider the fact that L&P has a German mind set while trying to portray an "American" City. Here in Germany a kid can go to a bar at 16 and with parents 14, all while being able to drink beer (no hard stuff)

I frequent a biker bar (Club house for a Franconian Biker club) North of Nuremberg. It is surprising how many single younger hotties and milfy types show up at this bar. Why? Because they have fun and they're "protected" from the bullshit they would possibly run into at some other bar. Being a old war horse as myself I enjoy the conversation and looking at the "menu", so to speak. Most the biker bars I hangout at are mostly Combat Veterans, we have common experiences that no one fully understands unless you lived such experiences. So, if Sophia and her sis walked into a bar of bikers that i hangout at no harm would come to them and they or you might be surprised at the intellect in such crowds.

You're talking about Germany & you paint a completely true picture. Even though it's 40-odd years since I drank at any bar, inn or club in that nation, I remember how civilised everything was. As a complete stranger & foreigner, I was still trusted to run up a bar tab in some places & this was in the big city!

There was, back then, a remarkable difference in the ambience from what I was used to in my own country, where many pubs & bars harboured a truly sinister atmosphere of impending havoc. On a weekend, it was often a question of when, not if, this would break out. Some places, you just didn't go in, unless you numbered in the dozens. Gangs of us, who wouldn't so much as speak most of the time, would form up at a convenient spot to become a huge gang, in the interests of strength in numbers.

I don't imagine a city the size of San Alejo wouldn't contain 'safe' bars but let's be honest, what we've been shown doesn't look like one so far. I don't believe the atmosphere would be much different from the UK.

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