Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven Upside Down Tour

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No quorum and significant doubts about the nominations from those who did participate. A Train^talk 07:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Heaven Upside Down Tour

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Tour hasn't started yet, and none of the sourcing suggests this should have an article per NTOUR: no sources discuss this tour in its own right. We're not a directory for show dates. Drmies (talk) 22:43, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

The tour starts in 8 days. And you may wish to check the sources again, because they all specifically discuss the tour outright, with the NME and Loudwire sources being the most direct. I could also add several others, but they would merely be acting as superfluous references for information already sourced on the article. Fact magazine; Blabbermouth; 303 magazine; Alternative Press; Exclaim!... there's an abundance of articles available on Google News when you type "Marilyn Manson" (you don't even need to type the tour name). Homeostasis07 (talk) 22:57, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

• I don't care when the tour starts: if anything, you're pointing at TOOSOON. No, those sources don't discuss the tour: the NME article doesn't say anything about it at all, only that it exists, and the Loudwire article has three or four sentences, none of which discuss anything--like production, planning, theme and design. Simply saying that something exists is not the same as discussing something and thereby rendering the tour notable. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

If you don't care about when the tour started, why did you begin this with "Tour hasn't started yet". I mean, this is all pretty nonsensical. The tour starts in 7 days, so you're basically proposing to delete the article for 7 days because it's "WP:TOOSOON", at which point it will be greatly expanded. Some of us at Wikipedia like to expand the project, not just delete pages because we don't like them. Seems to me like your gripe is with the entire Concert Tours Project. Homeostasis07 (talk) 22:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Jupitus Smart 04:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

• Keep. Obviously, it would be better to have a more in-depth article about the tour, especially since we do have plenty of sources that discuss it. But this is due to close literally the day before the tour begins. So if WP:TOOSOON is the rationale here, and it's deleted, then it's just going to be recreated the next day. Deletion serves no purpose here. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 13:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since the tour now started, has notability changed?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SoWhy 09:00, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.